Francis denounces "Catholic" Faith Defenders.
Novus Ordo "Faith" Defenders will hate it when their "Pope" is denouncing them. If you are a "Faith" Defender of the Vatican II Sect, this article is for you.
You’re a Novus Ordo "Apologist" publishing articles, blog posts and videos trying to convince the world that the Modernist Vatican II Sect is in fact the glorious Catholic Church of our Lord Jesus Christ. You’re trying to get your followers all fired up about the Catholic Faith that the Vatican II Church supposedly represents and teaches. You’re telling people that Protestantism is in fact heresy and that everyone must become a Catholic to be saved, and then…Hmmmmmmm...Then....Wait!!!
And then… Francis, Francis, Francis, Francis, or Mr. Jorge Bergoglio, the man you just spent all your energies convincing people, is the Pope of the Catholic Church and must be submitted to under pain of eternal damnation, stabs you in the back and denounces your apologetics apostolate with all its proselytism.
What does Francis’ think about apologetics?
"Pope" Francis, February 27, 2014:
“The church doesn’t need apologists for their own agendas or crusaders for their own battles but humble and faithful sowers of the truth.”
You’re a Novus Ordo "Apologist" publishing articles, blog posts and videos trying to convince the world that the Modernist Vatican II Sect is in fact the glorious Catholic Church of our Lord Jesus Christ. You’re trying to get your followers all fired up about the Catholic Faith that the Vatican II Church supposedly represents and teaches. You’re telling people that Protestantism is in fact heresy and that everyone must become a Catholic to be saved, and then…Hmmmmmmm...Then....Wait!!!
And then… Francis, Francis, Francis, Francis, or Mr. Jorge Bergoglio, the man you just spent all your energies convincing people, is the Pope of the Catholic Church and must be submitted to under pain of eternal damnation, stabs you in the back and denounces your apologetics apostolate with all its proselytism.
What does Francis’ think about apologetics?
"Pope" Francis, February 27, 2014:
“The church doesn’t need apologists for their own agendas or crusaders for their own battles but humble and faithful sowers of the truth.”
Mr. Abraham Arganiosa is one of the Novus Ordo Apologists or
"Catholic" FAKE Defenders in the Philippines...
Mr. Abraham "Abe" Arganiosa is a Novus Ordo Invalid "priest" of Vatican II.
He has a Novus Ordo Apologetic blog. In his blog, you will find that
Mr. Abe has no charity and he is using all the bad words worthy of a Novus Ord "priest."
Now, before you say, “But look - he does mention truth!”, remember that Francis is on record stating that no one “owns” the truth, that the truth is an “encounter”, and that “engaging in dialogue does not mean renouncing our own ideas and traditions, but the claim that they alone are valid or absolute.”
"Pope" Francis, August 5, 2013:
"Jesus tells us in today's Gospel: ‘When He shall come, the Spirit of truth, shall guide you into all the truth.’ Paul does not say to the Athenians: ‘This is the encyclopedia of truth. Study this and you have the truth, the truth.’ No! The truth does not enter into an encyclopedia. The truth is an encounter - it is a meeting with Supreme Truth: Jesus, the great truth. No one owns the truth. The we receive the truth when we meet [it]."
"Pope" Francis, August 5, 2013:
"Jesus tells us in today's Gospel: ‘When He shall come, the Spirit of truth, shall guide you into all the truth.’ Paul does not say to the Athenians: ‘This is the encyclopedia of truth. Study this and you have the truth, the truth.’ No! The truth does not enter into an encyclopedia. The truth is an encounter - it is a meeting with Supreme Truth: Jesus, the great truth. No one owns the truth. The we receive the truth when we meet [it]."
"Pope" Francis, Argentine Newspaper "Viva," July 27, 2014
"But the worst thing of all is religious proselytism, which paralyzes: 'I am talking with you in order to persuade you,' No. Each person dialogues, starting with his and her own identity. The church grows by attraction, not proselytizing."
"But the worst thing of all is religious proselytism, which paralyzes: 'I am talking with you in order to persuade you,' No. Each person dialogues, starting with his and her own identity. The church grows by attraction, not proselytizing."
Francis has certainly condemned “proselytism” which is an aggressive form of transmitting the faith that directly contradicts St. Peter’s inspired words:
1 Saint Peter 3:15:
“But sanctify the Lord Christ in your hearts, being ready always to satisfy every one that asketh you a reason of that hope which is in you....”
Francis said the Church doesn’t need apologists or crusaders. Francis really hates proselytizing. It is a fact that God wants someone to forsake his false religion and become a Catholic!
On the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul on January 25, 2015, “Pope” Francis gave a sermon that rejects the idea of conversion to Catholicism by all non-Catholics:
“Pope” Francis, Sermon at Vespers January 25, 2015:
“So many past controversies between Christians can be overcome when we put aside all polemical or apologetic approaches, and seek instead to grasp more fully what unites us, namely, our call to share in the mystery of the Father’s love revealed to us by the Son through the Holy Spirit. Christian unity – we are convinced – will not be the fruit of subtle theoretical discussions in which each party tries to convince the other of the soundness of their opinions. When the Son of Man comes, he will find us still discussing! We need to realize that, to plumb the depths of the mystery of God, we need one another, we need to encounter one another and to challenge one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, who harmonizes diversities, overcomes conflicts, reconciles differences. . .Our shared commitment to proclaiming the Gospel enables us to overcome proselytism and competition in all their forms. All of us are at the service of the one Gospel!”
On the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul on January 25, 2015, “Pope” Francis gave a sermon that rejects the idea of conversion to Catholicism by all non-Catholics:
“Pope” Francis, Sermon at Vespers January 25, 2015:
“So many past controversies between Christians can be overcome when we put aside all polemical or apologetic approaches, and seek instead to grasp more fully what unites us, namely, our call to share in the mystery of the Father’s love revealed to us by the Son through the Holy Spirit. Christian unity – we are convinced – will not be the fruit of subtle theoretical discussions in which each party tries to convince the other of the soundness of their opinions. When the Son of Man comes, he will find us still discussing! We need to realize that, to plumb the depths of the mystery of God, we need one another, we need to encounter one another and to challenge one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, who harmonizes diversities, overcomes conflicts, reconciles differences. . .Our shared commitment to proclaiming the Gospel enables us to overcome proselytism and competition in all their forms. All of us are at the service of the one Gospel!”
The Catholic doctrine is solid, clear, reasonable, and beautiful. It is also fruitful, having produced countless converts over the last 2,000 years. What’s downright ugly, by contrast, is Francis’ perversion of Catholic teaching. He likes to talk about “preaching the Gospel always” but at the same time he hates making converts because the gospel he preaches is not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, which we are commanded to bring to every human creature and to retain in all its purity until the end of time. Francis doesn’t want you to convert people to Catholicism because he is not a Catholic himself.
“Pope” Francis has also stressed that he does not desire to convert the children in schools to Catholicism.
"Pope" Francis, La Repubblica, November 21, 2015:
“Christian education is not only teaching catechism and proselytizing. Never proselytize in schools. Christian education is bringing up the young in complete reality with human values and one of these [values] is transcendence. Today there is a tendency to neo-positivism, which is education in immanent things, in countries of Christian tradition as well as those of pagan tradition. We are closed to transcendence but closure is of no use in education.”
"Pope" Francis, La Repubblica, November 21, 2015:
“Christian education is not only teaching catechism and proselytizing. Never proselytize in schools. Christian education is bringing up the young in complete reality with human values and one of these [values] is transcendence. Today there is a tendency to neo-positivism, which is education in immanent things, in countries of Christian tradition as well as those of pagan tradition. We are closed to transcendence but closure is of no use in education.”
Speaking of education or schools, we remember that when Francis visited Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, for World Youth Day in 2013, he emphasized that he didn’t care whether such a child got a Catholic education or a Protestant, Orthodox, or even Jewish one, as long as the child would have enough to eat and would get some sort of education.
"Pope" Francis, World Youth Day, Brazil, 2013:
“If there is a child that is hungry and has no education, what should matter to us is that he gets food and education. I don’t care if this education is given by Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox or Jews. What matters is that this child receives an education and ceases to be hungry.”
Please see video at 26:40
"Pope" Francis, World Youth Day, Brazil, 2013:
“If there is a child that is hungry and has no education, what should matter to us is that he gets food and education. I don’t care if this education is given by Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox or Jews. What matters is that this child receives an education and ceases to be hungry.”
Please see video at 26:40
But we should obey the words of our Lord in St. John 6:27:
“Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting, which the Son of man will give you.”
Jorge Bergoglio explained that he doesn’t care if child's education is given by Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, or Jews as long as the child gets food and education.
Francis doesn't care if a child’s soul is put on the path of eternal perdition through the heresies of the Lutherans, the false teachings of the Orthodox, or the frightening Christ-rejecting blasphemies of the Talmudists, right? After all, the body is so much more important than the soul, right?! Let’s see what our Lord has to say about this in St. Matthew 10:28::
"And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell."
To spread the Catholic Faith is an act of mercy. To feed the hungry is an act of mercy as well. We’re not disputing this. We must feed the hungry. Of course a child who is hungry must first be fed before you instruct him in the Gospel and give him a sound education. Our Blessed Lord did the same thing. He first attended to people’s bodily needs, then taught them. The bodily need of food, though in itself not as important as the spiritual needs of the soul, is nevertheless often more urgent. To feed a needy child is a most noble and worthy and meritorious cause. But to feed a child physically and then starve him spiritually is diabolical. Ultimately, we will all see the grave, our bodies will have been fed for the last time, and they will become the food of worms. The meat which “endureth unto life everlasting” is infinitely more important, ultimately, than the meat which sustains merely our temporary natural life.
What we have a problem with is Francis’ said that he does not care whether a person receives a Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish education.
Since its inception after the death of Pope Pius XII, the Modernist Vatican II Sect has done all it can to attempt to abolish the Catholic Faith, and the fruits are clearly visible today. Francis is clearly the vicar of Satan, just not of our Lord Jesus Christ.
“Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting, which the Son of man will give you.”
Jorge Bergoglio explained that he doesn’t care if child's education is given by Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, or Jews as long as the child gets food and education.
Francis doesn't care if a child’s soul is put on the path of eternal perdition through the heresies of the Lutherans, the false teachings of the Orthodox, or the frightening Christ-rejecting blasphemies of the Talmudists, right? After all, the body is so much more important than the soul, right?! Let’s see what our Lord has to say about this in St. Matthew 10:28::
"And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell."
To spread the Catholic Faith is an act of mercy. To feed the hungry is an act of mercy as well. We’re not disputing this. We must feed the hungry. Of course a child who is hungry must first be fed before you instruct him in the Gospel and give him a sound education. Our Blessed Lord did the same thing. He first attended to people’s bodily needs, then taught them. The bodily need of food, though in itself not as important as the spiritual needs of the soul, is nevertheless often more urgent. To feed a needy child is a most noble and worthy and meritorious cause. But to feed a child physically and then starve him spiritually is diabolical. Ultimately, we will all see the grave, our bodies will have been fed for the last time, and they will become the food of worms. The meat which “endureth unto life everlasting” is infinitely more important, ultimately, than the meat which sustains merely our temporary natural life.
What we have a problem with is Francis’ said that he does not care whether a person receives a Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish education.
Since its inception after the death of Pope Pius XII, the Modernist Vatican II Sect has done all it can to attempt to abolish the Catholic Faith, and the fruits are clearly visible today. Francis is clearly the vicar of Satan, just not of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Francis with Evangelical Protestants
If you are in denial over Francis’ repeated affirmations that he opposes converting non-Catholics to Catholicism, “Pope” Francis or Jorge Bergoglio reiterated his position once more, this time in a conversation he had with Evangelical Protestant Brian Stiller, who is the Global Ambassador of the World Evangelical Alliance. Stiller visited Francis in the Vatican in June 2014 and published a blog post about his encounter, entitled “Lunch with the Pope”, on July 9.
Brian C. Stiller, “Lunch with the Pope”,
Dispatches from the Global Village, July 9, 2014:
“We talked about Christians marginalized, pressed under the weight of government power or the majority presence of other faiths. He listened and then told a remarkable story. In his years in and out of Rome, he became friends with the pastor of a Pentecostal Church in Rome. In time he came to learn that the church and pastor felt the power and presence of the Catholic Church, with its weighty presence, obstructing their desire to grow and be a witness. “So,” he said, “this July I will preach in his church on a Sunday and offer an apology from my church for the hurt it has brought to their congregation.” It’s fair to ask what kind of Catholic Church we as Evangelicals want to see. At lunch I asked Pope Francis what his heart was for evangelism. He smiled, knowing what was behind my question. His comment was, “I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.” (Of course Evangelicals do evangelize Catholics and Catholics do the same to us. However, that discussion we will raise another day.)”
Dispatches from the Global Village, July 9, 2014:
“We talked about Christians marginalized, pressed under the weight of government power or the majority presence of other faiths. He listened and then told a remarkable story. In his years in and out of Rome, he became friends with the pastor of a Pentecostal Church in Rome. In time he came to learn that the church and pastor felt the power and presence of the Catholic Church, with its weighty presence, obstructing their desire to grow and be a witness. “So,” he said, “this July I will preach in his church on a Sunday and offer an apology from my church for the hurt it has brought to their congregation.” It’s fair to ask what kind of Catholic Church we as Evangelicals want to see. At lunch I asked Pope Francis what his heart was for evangelism. He smiled, knowing what was behind my question. His comment was, “I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.” (Of course Evangelicals do evangelize Catholics and Catholics do the same to us. However, that discussion we will raise another day.)”
Here, Francis is quoted as saying that he will apologize to a Protestant congregation for the Catholic Church’s “oppressive presence” in Rome that apparently curbed the heretical sect’s influence and obstructed its efforts to recruit more people and that he is not interested in converting Protestants to Catholicism.
Francis is a Modernist, and Modernists love vagueness, contradiction, and ambiguity, whereas Catholics extol clarity, consistency, and certitude. Mr. Bergoglio is not a Catholic. That’s the key to understanding it all. His mission is to confuse people, to spread error, and to destroy Catholicism under the guise of being “merciful” and “humble.”
Francis is a Modernist, and Modernists love vagueness, contradiction, and ambiguity, whereas Catholics extol clarity, consistency, and certitude. Mr. Bergoglio is not a Catholic. That’s the key to understanding it all. His mission is to confuse people, to spread error, and to destroy Catholicism under the guise of being “merciful” and “humble.”
Interview of Francis
The verb proselytize is defined as "to convert or attempt to convert.
On October 1, the Italian paper La Repubblica published the interview with "Pope" Francis under the title "The Pope: How the Church will Change."
Interview of "Pope" Francis by Eugenio Scalfari,
La Repubblica, "The Pope: How the Church will Change," 2013:
Eugenio Scalfari: It's a joke, I tell him. My friends think it is you want to convert me.
"Pope" Francis: "Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us. Sometimes after a meeting I want to arrange another one because new ideas are born and I discover new needs. This is important: to get to know people, listen, expand the circle of ideas. The world is crisscrossed by roads that come closer together and move apart, but the important thing is that they lead towards the Good.
Eugenio Scalfari: Your Holiness, is there is a single vision of the Good? And who decides what it is?
"Pope" Francis: "Each of us has a vision of good and of evil. We have to encourage people to move towards what they think is Good."
Eugenio Scalfari: We were silent for a moment, then I said: we were talking about the saints that you feel closest to your soul and we were left with Augustine. Will you tell me why you feel very close to him?
"Pope" Francis: "Even for my predecessor Augustine is a reference point. That saint went through many vicissitudes in his life and changed his doctrinal position several times. He also had harsh words for the Jews, which I never shared.
Eugenio Scalfari: Your Holiness, you said that you have no intention of trying to convert me and I do not think you would succeed.
"Pope" Francis: "We cannot know that, but I don't have any such intention."
Eugenio Scalfari: You Christians are now a minority. Even in Italy, which is known as the pope's backyard. Practicing Catholics, according to some polls, are between 8 and 15 percent. Those who say they are Catholic but in fact are not very are about 20%. In the world, there are a billion Catholics or more, and with other Christian churches there are over a billion and a half, but the population of the planet is 6 or 7 billion people. There are certainly many of you, especially in Africa and Latin America, but you are a minority.
"Pope" Francis: "We always have been but the issue today is not that. Personally I think that being a minority is actually a strength. I believe I have already said that our goal is not to proselytize but to listen to needs, desires and disappointments, despair, hope. . . Vatican II, inspired by Pope Paul VI and John, decided to look to the future with a modern spirit and to be open to modern culture. The Council Fathers knew that being open to modern culture meant religious ecumenism and dialogue with non-believers. But afterwards very little was done in that direction. I have the humility and ambition to want to do something."
"Pope" Francis: But now let me ask you a question: you, a secular non-believer in God, what do you believe in? You are a writer and a man of thought. You believe in something, you must have a dominant value. Don't answer me with words like honesty, seeking, the vision of the common good, all important principles and values but that is not what I am asking. I am asking what you think is the essence of the world, indeed the universe. You must ask yourself, of course, like everyone else, who we are, where we come from, where we are going. Even children ask themselves these questions. And you?"
Eugenio Scalfari: I am grateful for this question. The answer is this: I believe in Being, that is in the tissue from which forms, bodies arise.
"Pope" Francis: "And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?"
Interview of "Pope" Francis by Eugenio Scalfari,
La Repubblica, "The Pope: How the Church will Change," 2013:
Eugenio Scalfari: It's a joke, I tell him. My friends think it is you want to convert me.
"Pope" Francis: "Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us. Sometimes after a meeting I want to arrange another one because new ideas are born and I discover new needs. This is important: to get to know people, listen, expand the circle of ideas. The world is crisscrossed by roads that come closer together and move apart, but the important thing is that they lead towards the Good.
Eugenio Scalfari: Your Holiness, is there is a single vision of the Good? And who decides what it is?
"Pope" Francis: "Each of us has a vision of good and of evil. We have to encourage people to move towards what they think is Good."
Eugenio Scalfari: We were silent for a moment, then I said: we were talking about the saints that you feel closest to your soul and we were left with Augustine. Will you tell me why you feel very close to him?
"Pope" Francis: "Even for my predecessor Augustine is a reference point. That saint went through many vicissitudes in his life and changed his doctrinal position several times. He also had harsh words for the Jews, which I never shared.
Eugenio Scalfari: Your Holiness, you said that you have no intention of trying to convert me and I do not think you would succeed.
"Pope" Francis: "We cannot know that, but I don't have any such intention."
Eugenio Scalfari: You Christians are now a minority. Even in Italy, which is known as the pope's backyard. Practicing Catholics, according to some polls, are between 8 and 15 percent. Those who say they are Catholic but in fact are not very are about 20%. In the world, there are a billion Catholics or more, and with other Christian churches there are over a billion and a half, but the population of the planet is 6 or 7 billion people. There are certainly many of you, especially in Africa and Latin America, but you are a minority.
"Pope" Francis: "We always have been but the issue today is not that. Personally I think that being a minority is actually a strength. I believe I have already said that our goal is not to proselytize but to listen to needs, desires and disappointments, despair, hope. . . Vatican II, inspired by Pope Paul VI and John, decided to look to the future with a modern spirit and to be open to modern culture. The Council Fathers knew that being open to modern culture meant religious ecumenism and dialogue with non-believers. But afterwards very little was done in that direction. I have the humility and ambition to want to do something."
"Pope" Francis: But now let me ask you a question: you, a secular non-believer in God, what do you believe in? You are a writer and a man of thought. You believe in something, you must have a dominant value. Don't answer me with words like honesty, seeking, the vision of the common good, all important principles and values but that is not what I am asking. I am asking what you think is the essence of the world, indeed the universe. You must ask yourself, of course, like everyone else, who we are, where we come from, where we are going. Even children ask themselves these questions. And you?"
Eugenio Scalfari: I am grateful for this question. The answer is this: I believe in Being, that is in the tissue from which forms, bodies arise.
"Pope" Francis: "And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?"
Here's Francis's argument:
1. God exists.
2. The Catholic God does not exist.
3. Therefore, the Catholic God is not ??????
I wonder whether Arab nations, or Islamic nations, will do something if Francis will declare that there is NO MUSLIM GOD.
1. God exists.
2. The Catholic God does not exist.
3. Therefore, the Catholic God is not ??????
I wonder whether Arab nations, or Islamic nations, will do something if Francis will declare that there is NO MUSLIM GOD.
Francis: Don't Convince Others To Become Catholics
Francis quite bluntly told other Protestants whom he had invited to the Vatican that he was not interested in their conversion, and in one of his first interviews likewise suggested that he does not care what religion someone is. And let’s not forget his clear triple negation of the need to convince others to become Catholic:
"Pope" Francis, Catholic News Service, August 7, 2013:
“‘Do you need to convince the other to become Catholic? No, no, no! Go out and meet him, he is your brother. This is enough. Go out and help him and Jesus will do the rest.'”
"Pope" Francis, Catholic News Service, August 7, 2013:
“‘Do you need to convince the other to become Catholic? No, no, no! Go out and meet him, he is your brother. This is enough. Go out and help him and Jesus will do the rest.'”
Francis did not want to miss an opportunity to speak to the pilgrims lined up in Buenos Aires to celebrate the August 7 feast day of St. Cajetan, patron of Argentina and of jobseekers. In this video message, Francis advised the Argentinians that there is no need to convince others to become Catholics.
Please see the video at: 0:18
Please see the video at: 0:18
In short, Francis’ message is: No need for "Apologetics," No need for "Catholic Faith Defenders". No fancy seminars, luxury cruises, or apologetics workshops. No debates with Protestants. No talks at your local parish to get people all fired up about converting non-Catholics. No! Only encounter and ecumenism. Why does anyone listen to this heretic?
What Francis teaches stands in direct contradiction to perennial Catholic teaching over 1,900 years. His ecumenical tripe is precisely what was condemned as heretical and erroneous and very dangerous before Vatican II. It is very clear that Francis does not hold to the Catholic Faith as it was known for nearly 2,000 years before Vatican II. Which do you adhere to — the Catholic teaching or the Novus Ordo teaching? Stop defending the errors of Vatican II Sect. Clear enough?
What Francis teaches stands in direct contradiction to perennial Catholic teaching over 1,900 years. His ecumenical tripe is precisely what was condemned as heretical and erroneous and very dangerous before Vatican II. It is very clear that Francis does not hold to the Catholic Faith as it was known for nearly 2,000 years before Vatican II. Which do you adhere to — the Catholic teaching or the Novus Ordo teaching? Stop defending the errors of Vatican II Sect. Clear enough?